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Religieus in de politiek?
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R.Phillips
2018-07-09 07:30:56 UTC
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https://www.trouw.nl/democratie/-christelijke-kabinetspartijen-misbruiken-het-geloof-voor-uitsluitingsretoriek-~ae2ab93e/

^^Gert-Jan Segers (CU) en Pieter Heerma (CDA) stelden dat er in de huidige inburgering niet genoeg aandacht is voor ‘onze waarden, rechtsstaat en
omgang met vrijheden’^^.

Religieuzen misbruiken hun geloof wel vaker om de vangst van de dag
te verkopen. Met uitsluitingsmechanismen vangen ze alleen ondermaatse
sprot.


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dolf
2018-07-09 07:41:01 UTC
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But I can also define a dialectic associated to a political Constitution
independently of religion.

Is that thought also to complex for you?

- dolf
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https://www.trouw.nl/democratie/-christelijke-kabinetspartijen-misbruiken-het-geloof-voor-uitsluitingsretoriek-~ae2ab93e/
^^Gert-Jan Segers (CU) en Pieter Heerma (CDA) stelden dat er in de
huidige inburgering niet genoeg aandacht is voor ‘onze waarden, rechtsstaat en
omgang met vrijheden’^^.
Religieuzen misbruiken hun geloof wel vaker om de vangst van de dag
te verkopen. Met uitsluitingsmechanismen vangen ze alleen ondermaatse
sprot.
The problem which I have resolved by that quote which the Australian
Newspaper unreasonably censored pertains to German Philosopher Friedrich
Hegel (August 27, 1770 – November 14, 1831) who was an important figure of
German idealism. He achieved wide renown in his day and, while primarily
influential within the continental tradition of philosophy, has become
increasingly influential in the analytic tradition as well.

Although Hegel remains a divisive figure, his canonical stature within
Western philosophy is universally recognized.

Hegel states the hypothesis: “Another and opposite folly which we meet with
in our time is that of pretending to invent and carry out political
constitutions independently of religion. The Catholic confession, although
sharing the Christian name with the Protestant, does not concede to the
State an inherent Justice and Morality, – a concession which in the
Protestant principle is fundamental. This tearing away of the political
morality of the Constitution from its natural connection, is necessary to
the genius of that religion, inasmuch as it does not recognise Justice and
Morality as independent and substantial. But thus excluded from intrinsic
worth, – torn away from their last refuge – the sanctuary of conscience –
the calm retreat where religion has its abode, – the principles and
institutions of political legislation are destitute of a real centre, to
the same decree as they are compelled to remain abstract and indefinite.

Summing up what has been said of the State, we find that we have been led
to call its vital principle, as actuating the individuals who compose it, –
Morality. The State, its laws, its arrangements, constitute the rights of
its members; its natural features, its mountains, air, and waters, are
their country, their fatherland, their outward material property; the
history of this State, their deeds; what their ancestors have produced,
belongs to them and lives in their memory. All is their possession, just as
they are possessed by it; for it constitutes their existence, their being.

Their imagination is occupied with the ideas thus presented, while the
adoption of these laws, and of a fatherland so conditioned is the
expression of their will. It is this matured totality which thus
constitutes one Being, the spirit of one People. To it the individual
members belong; each unit is the Son of his Nation, and at the same time –
in as far as the State to which he belongs is undergoing development – the
Son of his Age. None remains behind it, still less advances beyond it. This
spiritual Being (the Spirit of his Time) is his; he is a representative of
it; it is that in which he originated, and in which he lives.


Nous: #10
Time: 16:30 hrs
Date: 2018.11.30
Torah: [#20, #30, #10]@{
@1: Sup: 20 (#20); Ego: 20 (#20),
@2: Sup: 50 (#70); Ego: 30 (#50),
@3: Sup: 60 (#130); Ego: 10 (#60),
Male: #130; Feme: #60
} // #60

Dao: Impossible Advice, What can Be Done?
Tetra: #41 - Response
I-Ching: H30 - Cohesion, Radiance, Clinging to Brightness/Fire, The net

Latin: Assistens {God prompt to grant} Alt: Menqel {Libation Bowl of God} {

1. SERVES TO MAKE KNOWN THE TRUTH. AIDS THE TRIUMPH OF INNOCENCE
2. PROMPT HELP IN TRIALS
3. WITNESSES
4. Tepisatosoa
}

Solar Eclipse: 13 (UTC) / 14 November 2012 (AEST)

Nahor {Snorting, Hoarse; dry; hot}

Transformative Prototype: *HOMOIOS* {#371 / #393} / HETEROS {#287 / #432}

<http://www.grapple369.com?zen:3,row:7,col:4,nous:10&idea:{82}&idea:{371}&idea:{83}&idea:{393}>

***@zen: 3, row: 7, col: 4, nous: 10 [Super: #371 / #2 - Contrast of
Terms, Self-Culture; I-Ching: H11 - Peace, Pervading, Greatness; Tetra: 16
- Contact, Ego: #393 / #10 - Impossible Advice, What can Be Done?; I-Ching:
H30 - Cohesion, Radiance, Clinging to Brightness/Fire, The net; Tetra: 41 -
Response]

HERE'S WHY AUSTRALIA'S PARLIAMENT USES SANDGLASSES WHEN THERE'S A DIVISION
IN THE HOUSE:

“Australia’s parliamentary traditions and conventions change over time. For
example, when a vote (or ‘division’) {

#371 as #8, #80, #5, #10, #9, #8, #200, #1, #50 = apeitheo (G544): {#10 as
#910} 1) not to allow one's self to be persuaded; 2) not to comply with;
1a) to refuse or withhold belief; 1b) to refuse belief and obedience

} is called, senators have four minutes to get to the chamber {

#371 as #30, #40, #100, #200, #1 = miqra' (H4744): {#4 as #341} 1)
convocation, convoking, reading, a calling together; 1a) convocation,
sacred assembly; 1b) convoking; 1c) reading; / #6, #70, #90, #200, #5 =
`atsarah (H6116): {#5 as #365} 1) assembly, solemn assembly; 1a) assembly
(sacred or festive meeting); 1b) assemblage, company, group}.

Back in 1975 that increased from two minutes to three, when a new extension
to Old Parliament House made the journey {

#371 as #6, #10, #200, #40, #60, #50, #5 = ramac (H7429): {#8 as #300} 1)
to trample; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to trample; 1a2) trampler (participle); 1b)
(Niphal) to be trampled

} from committee rooms to the chamber a little longer. The current
four-minute limit was introduced in 1988, when Australian democracy moved
up the hill to to the much bigger, current Parliament House.

The time given to MPs {

#371 as #20, #1, #50, #300 = 'enash (Aramaic) (H606): {#0 as #351 as UMBRA
interference associated to ANGEL GENIE CORRESPONDENCE TO MERCURY (#260) AS
ANTHROPIC PROTOTYPE} 1) man, human being; 2) mankind (collective)

} is necessary, but the way the gap is timed – with a sandglass {

#371 as #20, #1, #200, #90, #20, #40 = 'erets (H776): {#2 as #291} 1) land,
earth; lands, countries; 1a) earth; 1a1) whole earth (as opposed to a
part); 1a2) earth (as opposed to heaven); 1a3) earth (inhabitants); 1b)
land; 1b1) country, territory; 1b2) district, region; 1b3) tribal
territory; 1b4) piece of ground; 1b5) land of Canaan, Israel; 1b6)
inhabitants of land; 1b7) Sheol, land without return, (under) world; 1b8)
city (-state); 1c) ground, surface of the earth; 1c1) ground; 1c2) soil;
1d) (in phrases); 1d1) people of the land; 1d2) space or distance of
country (in measurements of distance); 1d3) level or plain country; 1d4)
land of the living; 1d5) end(s) of the earth; 1e) (almost wholly late in
usage); 1e1a) often in contrast to Canaan

} – doesn’t seem necessary at all. And it turns out the sandglasses are not
just ornamental. They’re really used for timekeeping (but with a catch).
The parliament’s website explains:

Until 1989, it [the Annotated Standing Orders] contained references to a
sand-glass kept on the Table for the purpose of timing divisions. The Clerk
was responsible for turning the sand-glass and the time was taken to have
elapsed when the sand-glass so indicated. References to this antique but
reliable technology were removed in the course of the 1989 revision to free
the principle from reliance on any particular technology.

Although sand-glasses continue to be used as the primary means of timing
the division or quorum bells {

#393 as #300, #10, #7, #70, #6 = zuwa` (H2111): {#0 as #83} 1) to tremble,
quiver, quake, be in terror; 1a) (Qal) to tremble, quake; 1b) (Pilpel);
1b1) to shake violently; 1b2) to cause to tremble;

"In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble {zuwa`-moved
[H2111]: #393}, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders
cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be
darkened..." [Ecclesiastes 12:3 (KJV)]

"Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee, and awake that shall
vex {zuwa`-moved [H2111]: #393} thee, and thou shalt be for booties unto
them?" [Habakkuk 2:7 (KJV)]

#393 as #8, #90, #90, #200, #5 = chatsotserah (H2689): {#2 as #399} 1)
trumpet, clarion

}, they are now used in conjunction with the digital speech timer. An
advantage of the latter is that it enables a time signal to be broadcast on
the House Monitoring Service which shows senators how much time remains for
them to reach the chamber. In practice, the Chair takes whichever
methodology expires last as a signal to call for the doors to be locked.

Note “antique but reliable”, but also references to using it were removed
in 1989 “to free the principle from reliance on any particular technology”.

Justin Baker, assistant director of the Chamber Research Office in the
Department of the House of Representatives, explained to Business Insider
why they continue to use what looks like a giant egg timer.

Hansard records reveal a reference to a sandglass being used for divisions
back in 1901 “so they have likely been a feature of the parliament since
Federation”.

When the Central Table for the new Parliament House was commissioned, a
pair of sandglasses was included in the brief by the Parliament amongst
other items, such as bronze brackets to support the Mace, pigeon hole book
stands, digital clocks, call bells and microphones.

“A stand with a wooden base and green felt underneath for the sandglasses
was purpose built for the Clerk’s desk within the Chamber,” Baker said. “In
1998, a new stand and glasses were designed and manufactured to accommodate
an additional sandglass.”

That’s right – they bought another one.

<https://www.businessinsider.com.au/heres-why-australias-parliament-uses-sandglasses-when-theres-a-division-in-the-house-2015-6>
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SEE ALSO AS RELATIONSHIP: *INVALIDATING* {Perennial philosophy (HETEROS
{#390 - ROBBERS} v’s HOMOIOS {#391 - STEWARDS OF GOD’S HOUSE} THEORY OF
NUMBER) as universal of right and wrong...} *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN*
*CATHOLIC* *CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* {#390 as 1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200 as
harpax (G727): {#11 as #242} 1) rapacious, ravenous; 2) a extortioner, a
robber} *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND* *FRAUDULENT*

Private “Saint Andrews” Street on the edge of the Central Business District
dated 16th May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as
a Notice of an Application for Planning Permit

<http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

SEE ALSO: HYPOSTASIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF NATURE-genesis
[James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x 4.5 day
= #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an amalgam of the
64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial tetragrammaton rather
than its encapsulated contrived use as the microcosm to redefine the
macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial
canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

<http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO [iOS] SAPIEN [T] as
EXISTENCE / *OUSIA*.

<http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip> (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS
Peter Steenkamp
2018-07-09 13:24:39 UTC
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Post by R.Phillips
https://www.trouw.nl/democratie/-christelijke-kabinetspartijen-misbruiken-het-geloof-voor-uitsluitingsretoriek-~ae2ab93e/
^^Gert-Jan Segers (CU) en Pieter Heerma (CDA) stelden dat er in de huidige inburgering niet genoeg aandacht is voor ‘onze waarden, rechtsstaat en
omgang met vrijheden’^^.
Religieuzen misbruiken hun geloof wel vaker om de vangst van de dag
te verkopen. Met uitsluitingsmechanismen vangen ze alleen ondermaatse
sprot.
R
De onderliggende drogreden is de aanname dat alle volkeren en culturen
gelijkwaardig zijn en tot vergelijkbare samenlevingen leiden.

Dat is niet waar, en als je dat erkent dat herken je dit artikel als
gewauwel over vrijheid zonder verantwoordelijkheid.
het varken uit Stettin
2018-07-09 13:31:14 UTC
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On 09-07-18 15:24, Peter Steenkamp wrote:

...
Post by Peter Steenkamp
De onderliggende drogreden is de aanname dat alle volkeren en culturen
gelijkwaardig zijn en tot vergelijkbare samenlevingen leiden.
]
um.. bewijs of ontkracht dat eens zonder daarvoor specifiek westerse
normen te gebruiken?
Peter Steenkamp
2018-07-09 14:37:54 UTC
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Post by het varken uit Stettin
...
Post by Peter Steenkamp
De onderliggende drogreden is de aanname dat alle volkeren en culturen
gelijkwaardig zijn en tot vergelijkbare samenlevingen leiden.
]
um.. bewijs of ontkracht dat eens zonder daarvoor specifiek westerse
normen te gebruiken?
Zie de kaart op

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Hoe blanker een samenleving hoe rijker. Oost Aziaten doen ook aardig mee.
Enige vreemde eend in de bijt is Saoedi Arabie, dat slapend rijk wordt
door olie. Maar het is maar de vraag wat daar van overblijft als het olie
tijdperk ten einde loopt.

Er was ooit een pagina op wikipedia over Latijns Amerika dat
de diverse landen rangschikte op basis van etniciteit (% blank, zwart,
gemengd/inheems) en GDP per capita. Ook hier was duidelijk te zien:
hoe zwarter hoe armer, hoe blanker hoe rijker.
Deze pagina is echter verdwenen dus ik kan hem niet linken.
Cees Camphuis
2018-07-09 14:43:00 UTC
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Post by Peter Steenkamp
Post by het varken uit Stettin
...
Post by Peter Steenkamp
De onderliggende drogreden is de aanname dat alle volkeren en culturen
gelijkwaardig zijn en tot vergelijkbare samenlevingen leiden.
]
um.. bewijs of ontkracht dat eens zonder daarvoor specifiek westerse
normen te gebruiken?
Zie de kaart op
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
Hoe blanker een samenleving hoe rijker. Oost Aziaten doen ook aardig mee.
Enige vreemde eend in de bijt is Saoedi Arabie, dat slapend rijk wordt
door olie. Maar het is maar de vraag wat daar van overblijft als het olie
tijdperk ten einde loopt.
Er was ooit een pagina op wikipedia over Latijns Amerika dat
de diverse landen rangschikte op basis van etniciteit (% blank, zwart,
hoe zwarter hoe armer, hoe blanker hoe rijker.
Deze pagina is echter verdwenen dus ik kan hem niet linken.
Het ongecontroleerd binnenlaten van niet-blanke immigranten heeft
Argentinië de kop gekost.
Henk
2018-07-09 15:56:11 UTC
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Post by Cees Camphuis
Post by Peter Steenkamp
Post by het varken uit Stettin
...
Post by Peter Steenkamp
De onderliggende drogreden is de aanname dat alle volkeren en culturen
gelijkwaardig zijn en tot vergelijkbare samenlevingen leiden.
um.. bewijs of ontkracht dat eens zonder daarvoor specifiek westerse
normen te gebruiken?
Zie de kaart op
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
Hoe blanker een samenleving hoe rijker. Oost Aziaten doen ook aardig mee.
Enige vreemde eend in de bijt is Saoedi Arabie, dat slapend rijk wordt
door olie. Maar het is maar de vraag wat daar van overblijft als het olie
tijdperk ten einde loopt.
Er was ooit een pagina op wikipedia over Latijns Amerika dat
de diverse landen rangschikte op basis van etniciteit (% blank, zwart,
hoe zwarter hoe armer, hoe blanker hoe rijker.
Deze pagina is echter verdwenen dus ik kan hem niet linken.
Het ongecontroleerd binnenlaten van niet-blanke immigranten heeft
Argentinië de kop gekost.
Had Argentinië toen niet veel Syriers binnengelaten ?
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Stop de massa-immigratie
R.Phillips
2018-07-09 14:41:17 UTC
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Post by het varken uit Stettin
...
Post by Peter Steenkamp
De onderliggende drogreden is de aanname dat alle volkeren en culturen
gelijkwaardig zijn en tot vergelijkbare samenlevingen leiden.
]
um.. bewijs of ontkracht dat eens zonder daarvoor specifiek westerse
normen te gebruiken?
Ik zie het probleem. Peter heeft het over als-dat[ = dan]. Deze propositie
kan te algemeen gesteld zijn. Ik ging er van uit dat er meer universele
normen in deze bestaan. Er is een wel/niet keuze bij religie.
Het opportunisme van de religieuze groepen staat er los van.

R
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